potodds

[donheyn]

could one say that when there is shoved at you in BB and the potodds shows us over 40% then its a 110% sure fold 9 out of 10times???
And what about winodds should it be at least 20% for a minimum call or is it even ok to fold let say ATo???what do you guys do with your hand like AJs in like MP and people shove at you ...what on the indicator do you look at before makin a move??

[donheyn]

when i started with the T,I i been told if the winodds are bigger then potodds then you cant loose in the long run

[jumping_s]

when i started with the T,I i been told if the winodds are bigger then potodds then you cant loose in the long run

i concur though i would advise you not to take the displayed winodds in TI at face value (i mostly mean preflop, though also post-flop as TI counts many outs that are prob. dead). there sometimes are weird winodds of 2 or 3 %, though of course in a heads-up situation no hand plays quite that badly. so you should have some general understanding of the odds of live-cards, undercards, overcards, dominated cards- make an educated guess of your winodds and then see if you have the proper odds to call.

your first post is a bit confusing and it would be easier to talk about certain hands you found yourself wondering.

it most certainly is ok to fold ATo vs a push that doesn't give you very good odds, in fact i think most of the time a call with ATo would even be wrong. generally speaking i would try to avoid calling all-ins anyhow, and instead try to be the one pushing.

[jumping_s]

i should maybe add that the winodds are at times displayed too high as well.

A hand like QJs against only one opponent may have wonderful winodds displayed, yet of course it's only Queen high and plays awful in all-in situations.